Esperanto, Ido, Lojban, Sindarin, Klingon and other game/experimental/invented languages’ supporters vs. Proto-Indo-European revival

To all of you well-minded Esperantists and the rest of artificial languages’ supporters:

First of all, thank you for your interest in Proto-Indo-European language revival. We appreciate your critics, whether constructive or (as usual) just annoying mails. To answer you all (we won’t do it individually),

  • No, we are sorry, but we didn’t unite at Dnghu to support languages different than Proto-Indo-European or other natural Indo-European languages or dialects.
  • No, we don’t think your games/experiments are usable, or fit, or even languages in the strictest sense, no matter the great critics/success/support/number of speakers/history/etc. you think it has or had.
  • Either yes, we knew about your great inventions, or no, we didn’t, but anyway we are not interested in learning or supporting them, however great you think they are.
  • You can read more about the usual questions emailed or posted to Dnghu about linguistic inventions in the Indo-European language blog by a co-founder.

Dnghu was created and works to discuss, talk, administer, give support, etc. to the widest variety of (Proto-)Indo-European studies possible, with the main objective of supporting PIE revival for the European Union, in the form of a Modern language. Please, don’t think we haven’t considered your old alternatives before trying to accomplish such a difficult and ungrateful task.

We are here to gather people to work together on our aim, not to convince you one by one about the advantages of reviving PIE.

Yours sincerely,

Your Indo-European Language Team.

P.D. - Obviously, how Wikipedia, Digg or other collaborative websites classify (or write about) Proto-Indo-European or its revival is not necessarily what we actually are or are doing: You shouldn’t trust any content outside dnghu.org without reading what We say we are doing in our association.

Modern Indo-European Grammar 2nd Ed., Indo-European for the EU (2007), and Proto-Indo-European Etymological Dictionary by J.Pokorny

At least three new main releases have been made since our last report:

  1. Modern Indo-European Grammar, Vol. I (Morphology), version 2.10, already published as Full Second Edition. We will see how the volume on MIE Syntax is written and revised from now on.
  2. Proto-Indo-European Etymological Dictionary by Julius Pokorny (originally Indogermanisches Etymologisches Wörterbuch), revised and formatted as tagged PDF for quick reference.
  3. Proto-Indo-European language revival for the EU, our Foundation Project of 2006, revised as a European Association project for 2007.

All publications are made under a dual Free/Libre licence Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike v. 3.0 and GNU Free Documentation License v.2.

For more on minor version changes on this and other common works, please refer (and suscribe) to our Indo-European language resources’ blog.

Your Indo-European Language Team.

Modern Indo-European (or “Europaio”) Grammar, Volume I, First Revised Edition, published as GFDL/CC-by-sa

Here it is, Modern Indo-European Grammar Version 2.0, a large file (around 4Mb) to download from our servers or from external file servers.

Because of the recent news about our project in the Spanish media (El Mundo and Spanish Television News “La 2 Noticias”), and the growing interest in the project, we have decided to release now what we had already fixed, instead of waiting till the rest of the grammar was properly revised (especially the verbal system).

As the licence is now GFDL/CC-by-sa, it is not really important whether the grammar is completely correct, as anyone can now copy, improve and redistribute it freely.

Also, we will keep publishing minor revisions (beginning from version 2.0), and hopefully make another major release together with Volume II, Syntax, before this summer.

Thanks to all our readers and contributors.

Enjoy!

Your Indo-European Language Team.

Modern Indo-European Grammar (First Revised Edition) to be published in two different volumes

Due to some delays in the (re)writing of the new Modern Indo-European Grammar, the Dnghu Association has decided to follow the next schedule:

1st. Publishing of the first revised edition of Modern Indo-European Grammar, Vol. I, Writing System, Phonology and Morphology. Probably in the next week or two, we still have some formatting pending. (If you are new to our project, go on and read the old one; you will love the change…)

2nd. Try to be more open to newcomers, firstly by answering past mails: sorry to those of you who e-mailed us in the last month, we just had too many tasks - the opening of another Biblos centre, the University, moving the Association headquarters and servers, our jobs,…

3d. Revise and improve the web schemes, e.g. avoiding the excesive use of “Europaio” instead of Modern Indo-European (or simply Indo-European), focusing on simple webs to collaborate united (and not scattering efforts), uniting europaiom-sindhueuropaiom web pages into a single portal for common MIE resources in different languages, building an encyclopedic portal in Indo-European, changing Dnghu’s FAQ to adapt it to new developments, etc.

4th. Try to follow a good pace in posting news in Modern Indo-European, also in podcast if possible, to help with our “teaching and learning” objective, and with a more precise syntax (v.i.)

5th. Publishing of Modern Indo-European Grammar, Vol. II, Syntax. This is a huge work, and we hope to get some specialized help; we’ll wait to see if it’s better to publish it in small parts - to discuss openly the final output - or (as with Vol. I) in major releases.

To date, we can’t know the timetable for such a roadmap, but with some work (and your help), we think we could finish them before this summer.

Thank you all for the last Indo-European year. Happy anniversary (the gift still to come)!

Your Indo-European Language Team.

About Modern Indo-European and 1st Anniversary Celebrations of Proto-Indo-European Revival Association

Yes, almost a year ago our project of an official DNGHU GROUP began, after the publication of the first - now almost seen as an amateur start - “Europaio grammar”.
We are now preparing ourselves to release its revised edition of that - mainly prescriptive - work, what will be a thorough Modern Indo-European Grammar.
In our new edition, some major changes have been made, but especially minor aspects (like lots of tiny etymologies, interesting vocabulary, dialectal differentiation, language history, etc.) are improved to support a natural Proto-Indo-European revival, as a Modern Indo-European language, instead of the simplified (for some almost artificial artificial) language system we have developed until now.
Because this was our first year, instead of releasing minor changes as new grammar versions, we wanted to develop diverse approaches to experiment and see what people liked and disliked the most. We think it was a good idea, and now we expect our improvements to let us begin using Modern Indo-European immediatly, instead of just waiting for more linguistic regulation.
We will whoop it up in a few weeks with the official inscription of the already incorporated Spanish Association - hopefully the first of many independent organizations worldwide -, the public release of a (really) free-licensed Indo-European grammar, new projects, major web changes, etc.

Your Indo-European Language Team.

Dnghu Adsoqiation, “Language Association”, about to be legally incorporated in Spain

Dnghu Adsoqiation (or “Language Association”, in English), is about to be legally incorporated in Spain under the name Asociación Dnghu. It is not the happiest day for Indo-European Revival Group, as our intention was always to obtain enough funds to create a private Foundation, but it is indeed good news for the future of Indo-European as a spoken language.

We have been working for almost a year already as ‘Dnghu Group’ or simply ‘Dnghu’, without any legal status, thus losing the few opportunities we had to obtain public subsidies for cultural institutions. It was not important, however, as there was no important community behind our projects.

But, enough is enough, and we cannot live just on tiny scholarships, always awaiting a change in the general mood toward our projects, and - having ahead the deadline of 2007’s regional public funding for cultural institutions - we deem it our best option right now to have a legal, non-profit organization applying for them.

We expect to receive public subsidies from regional, national and European administrations, and also investments and funds from banks and other private institutions; and we hope to control at the same time the problems that an association may pose on organizational and budgetary matters…

Your Indo-European Language Team.

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Indo-European language in Second Life, Orkut and Google Groups

Three new online projects:

1) We have created a new blog for our Second Life virtual world adventure, to post events and news of what happens to our Indo-European language revival project “in-world”. We are looking forward to collaborating with other avatars in proving the advantages of virtual education and virtual communities.

2) If you are a member of Orkut, you can also join our efforts in our Indo-European community.

3) We have also created an Indo-European language Group with Google, but we will wait to see if (and when) we use it just for Indo-European languages’ research, for Indo-European language revival, or even for our virtual community.

Your Indo-European Language Team.

Indo-European International Auxiliary Language and other projects

We have decided at Dnghu to modify some resources, as (we think) they were causing people and time to leak out from our most valuable projects. They are:

Sindhueuropaiom.org, the Indo-European IAL web portal, which won’t be linked that much from Dnghu’s site. The site was designed to host a different, older and more phonetic view of the Proto-Indo-European reconstruction, to be used outside Europe - instead of the Europaio grammatical system, which is mainly based on the Indo-European Northern (or European) Dialect. We think it has been somehow confusing to mix it with Europaio in Dnghu’s website, making people believe we were trying to reconstruct (or even construct) two different languages, when our only aim was to facilitate the development of a more flexible and International grammatical system besides our easier, European-based one.

Sghola, Tekstos and Skientia free knowledge projects - which have nothing to do with Indo-European but for the names - have been (earlier as initially planned) taken over by Academia Biblos, to offer different school and university resources. As far as we know, Sghola will not be the projects’ central - as we promoted it -, but a commercial site for e-learning. However, we hope to take advantage of this change by using the portal in the future, maybe to offer free or commercial e-learning courses.

Your Indo-European Language Team.

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