New Wiki websites, new language projects and change of Dnghu’s domain name language policy

The latest changes in the Association:

1. We decided to change our Indo-European Language Association domain name language policy, from a standard of “.eu” domains and translated terms written as is in the language, we want to offer a more unified writing, thus using almost only “.org” and names without dashes – but for, which was the only available, and in Italian, because the .org is reserved for the Spanish version. At the same time, we hired some more domain names in Danish, Czech, Lithuanian, Latvian or Slovenian.

2. Our main aim was – and still is- to revive Europe’s Indo-European as the national language of the European Union, not the common Late PIE, because of the difficulties in reconstructing it with sufficient confidence. However, given that:

  1. Speakers of languages derived from Proto-Germanic, Proto-Italic, Proto-Celtic, Proto-Slavic and Proto-Baltic are not the only ones interested in reviving Proto-Indo-European in one of its dialects.
  2. Reviving Late PIE phonology with exactitude is still as impossible as in Saussure’s time.
  3. As with Proto-European (or Europe’s Indo-European), we know the shape of those Proto-Indo-European dialects that existed ca. 2500 BC.
  4. All reconstructed PIE dialects are different to some extent only, especially in phonology, but very similar in morphology and syntax,.

We want to offer the possibility of using all the reconstructible PIE dialects as of 2500 BC (see a map), i.e. Proto-European or Europe’s Indo-European (IE IIIb); Proto-Indo-Iranian or Proto-Aryan and Proto-Greek (both IE IIIa); and Proto-Anatolian, a dialect of IE II; as well as discussing the theoretical aspects of Proto-Indo-European reconstruction. All of these projects have a Wiki dedicated to discuss its reconstruction and the modern shape the language should have today (,,, and, and another Wiki dedicated to its experimental use, as a kind of Wikipedia-Wikisource-Wikinews (,,,, respectively).

3. We have consequently closed or rearranged the websites dedicated to write in Europe’s Indo-European: they will be concentrated in that website mentioned above, Only the Indo-European etymological Wiki dictionary will remain.

With those changes we expect to concentrate efforts, attract more collaboration and spend less.

Your Indo-European language team.

“The king and the god”, translated into Proto-Indo-European and its different attested proto-languages

After the last update of Schleicher’s fable in Proto-Indo-European and its main dialects, we wanted to offer an alternative short text for comparison, and have thus added another page to the old one, including “The King and the god” in Proto-Indo-European and its dialects, apart from applying some minor corrections to the Schleicher’s fable.

Following the Wikipedia article, «The king and the god (rēḱs deiwos-kÊ·e, Latin rex deusque) is the title of a short dialogue composed in the reconstructed Proto-Indo-European language. It is loosely based on the “king Harishcandra” episode of Aitareya Brahmana (7.14 = 33.2). S. K. Sen asked a number of Indo-Europeanists (Y. E. Arbeitman, E. P. Hamp, M. Mayerhofer, J. Puhvel, W. Winter) to reconstruct the PIE “parent” of the text.»

This short tale is different from its Sanskrit original:

athainam uvāca:
Varuṇaṃ rājānam upadhāva:
putro me jāyatāṃ, tena tvā yajā iti
tatheti. sa Varuṇaṃ rājānam upasasāra:
putro me jāyatāṃ, tena tvā yajā iti. tatheti.
tasya ha putro jajñe Rohito nāma.

English Translation:

Then he said to him:
Have recourse to Varuna, the king, (saying):
“Let a son be born to me; with him let me sacrifice to thee”
“Be it so” (he replied). He went up to Varuna, the king (saying)
“Let a son be born to me; with him let me sacrifice to thee.” “Be it so” (he replied)
To him a son was born, Rohita by name.

Your Indo-European Language Team.

Schleicher’s Fable in Proto-Indo-European and its proto-languages: Anatolian, Indo-Iranian, Greek, Tocharian, Celtic, Italic, Germanic, Armenian, Baltic and Slavic

There has been a growing interest in our Schleicher’s Fable, especially in the different known Indo-European proto-languages, as they appear in our Indo-European Grammar.

I personally just wanted to show the different (mostly phonetical) evolutions in Indo-European, in the differentiation among early dialects, and I used the Schleicher’s fable in Proto-Indo-European just to show the possible early outputs.

This weekend we received 3 more mails correcting it, and these made up ten already, which is a lot taking on account the limited interest shown in other, more controversial parts of the grammar.

It is obviously not the best part to correct and contribute to, for Modern Indo-European to be revived, but it’s still an interesting starting point, as people seem to feel more comfortable with the immediate ancestor of their own languages than with Proto-Indo-European itself.

New versions have been made with the indications of an Indo-European expert, and the latest corrections and additions have been uploaded to the Schleicher’s Fable: The Sheep and the Horses (PDF).

It is now opened as a separate document, with its own versions, and with its link from the homepage. We hope to keep correcting it, to add versions in Proto-Albanian, Proto-Daco-Thracian, Messapian, Ligurian, and even Indo-Uralic, Eurasiatic, etc.

Thank you for your comments and corrections, sorry for not being able to answer you personally.

Carlos (the Indo-European Language Team)