A Tentative Syntax of Modern Indoeuropean published! And a Spanish translation of A Grammar… on its way

These are the latest news:

    • Fernando López-Menchero’s A Tentative Syntax of Modern Indoeuropean has been published online and in printed version. This book contains hundreds of common sentences and expressions, comprehending a large variety of usual situations and syntactic structure, to acquire the necessary syntactic knowledge to speak the ancient language of Late Proto-Indo-Europeans. It has a comfortable bilingual two-column format that helps the reader (whether new to the language or an advanced scholar) to learn Proto-Indo-European vocabulary and grammar while studying its syntax.
    • After more than a year of work, a reader has provided us with a full Spanish translation of the third edition of A Grammar of Modern Indo-European. We are currently revising the translation, while we fit the texts into the original format. Within weeks we plan to publish the fully translated work. Another reader is also working on a French version of the book. Please contact us if you are interested in working on other translations.


Your Indo-European Language Team

Modern Indo-European learning course (Alpha version) revised, Syntax near to publication, and translations

It seems that, after some months of public standstill in our websites, people are showing again that they have been working hard backstage. 2012 will be a great year for those willing to learn (Late) Proto-Indo-European as a living language:

1) Mario has published a revision of his work, the Modern Indo-European learning course. He would like to thank readers and contributors, and we would like to remind you that you can collaborate with corrections and additions, by contacting him personally.

2) Fernando is still working on his temptative Syntax of Modern Indo-European. He has been creating a great, thorough and comprehensive work, full of bilingual examples, from the advances we have been able to read. And even though it must be published months later than expected, and possibly still months from now – since he is constantly revising and improving it -, it will certainly be worth the waiting…

3) A member has offered himself to translate the Grammar into French. If you would like to offer him some help, please contact us.

4) As you probably know, more than 3 years ago our account on PayPal was suddenly frozen, after receiving some money from members; it was “provisional”, until we showed “proofs” of our not-for-profit nature (which they hadn’t asked on registration, or for receiving money). Apart from the official documents that we sent them and that should have sufficed (Associations are not-for-profit in Spain, and Dnghu is one of the few that appear on the official National Registry of Associations), we have sent PayPal every possible document requested, and asked for more instructions to open again the account: After hours lost obtaining, scanning and sending every possible stupid “proof” you can imagine (for an account that might receive a maximum of some hundred dollars a year), they haven’t done so – just allowed us temporarily to take away the money received. Because of that, the membership of the Association has been almost impossible for everyone since 2009, and indeed regular payments were stopped, and just an initial fee requested; some recent members haven therefore been allowed to join officially, and to pay after we solve this issue.

After all these months, I have to agree with the people who hate PayPal for their service, and I guess we will have to create an account on Google Checkout or other similar but less known service. As you might infer, the payment for membership was always more a question of barrier to entry (“only those who are really interested in the Association will pay for membership”) than a financing issue for us – since we survive on free work and donations -; but this level of incompetence is unacceptable…

Also, after the improvements of 2012 in the development of the language, we certainly need to start thinking about organizing language courses and “congresses”, as well as other services for interested people. For such events, external payment cannot be just an option to complement donations, and we will need a professional and trustable payment service.

Your Indo-European Association team.

Open letter to the Indo-European Language Revival Association members, friends and supporters

Dear members, friends and supporters of Dnghu,

We are aware that we have neglected many of you over the last months. This letter is part of our attempt to put this right, informing you of the latest events.

After a long time of dealing with our professional issues, which have completely absorbed our time, partly due to the economic crisis, partly due to some special career compromises, we are already planning to resume work where we left it, beginning in march 2011.

During the last 10 months of standstill, some of you have proposed changes to our texts, or questioned reconstruction issues, while others have suggested improvements to the project’s short- and long-term aims; some did also help us solve common (spam or technical) problems in our websites.

Even though we didn’t answer ANY of you due to the lack of time, please be assured that we did (and do) read your mails and comments, and that we thank you very much for your support, proposals, and criticism. If you really needed a specific answer, please do not hesitate to resend your question after we have renewed the work on Dnghu.

Some members (and board members) have changed works, or have moved, or have been working harder due to the crisis and its effects on personal and family finances, and this has led to the long break.

However, due to the free and public nature of our works, our lack of activity hasn’t prevented many of you from downloading and buying the books, studying the language, and trying to speak it. You are thus helping create a more prepared community for the beginning of the (spoken) IE revival; we are aware of these facts, too, and that gives us another strong reason to renew our efforts as soon as possible.

I myself have been quite busy with practices in some hospital services during my last year at medical school, and for some months already I have been preparing myself for the State Exam for Medical Residents (the so-called “MIR”) in Spain. After taking the exam, I hope to have at least 3 free months before the beginning of hospital work, and I expect to dedicate some of that free time to the project.

Among the most pressing matters, there are some needed corrections and improvements to the Grammar (especially the Syntax) and vocabulary, some additional text translations into MIE, a learning method (Assimil– or Teach Yourself-like), and the long-awaited (and long-requested, by the way) podcasts, or at least some audios to help speakers with IE pronunciation.

As you probably understand, this is a project that began as an economic-revivalist one in 2006 – a theoretical proposal of one language for the EU for practical reasons, shared within the University, which got the attention and recognition of its leading members, and which should have been taken over afterwards – according to the initial plan – by its Faculty of Arts, with research projects on linguistics.

Dnghu has instead gradually become a mainly private, linguistic-revivalist project (with the Association as the accompanying ‘social’ branch of the language revival), which has also changed its “EU-only” initial vision, and in which the linguistic work is now the leading question, that needed (and needs) to be carefully discussed and reviewed by some of us with no direct contact between us, and who have other interests and careers in the daily world…

Thank you for your patience and support,

Best regards,

Carlos Quiles

New publication date of A Grammar of Modern Indo-European postponed until inclusion of the latest corrections

The date for the new publication of the reference book A Grammar of Modern Indo-European has been postponed until a full revision of the grammar and translated texts is carried out, and the mistakes found are corrected.

This decision has been taken – against previous reports – after a new full revision of the grammar and texts was planned for the next weeks.

As previously explained, extended distribution of the Printed Edition is an important decision which might slow down (and thus condition) the publication of future revisions. A correct revision process takes obviously priority over the extended (traditional) distribution of the book.

We think Easter should be a reasonable date for the new full revision of the grammar and translated texts – the lexicon won’t be extensively revised -, although no exact limit was set. This new revision isn’t expected to mean a relevant change to the Printed Edition, which will still be the Second (Revised) Edition, but it will probably drive the grammar up to version 4.5.

Translations not still assigned, as well as the learning courses and podcasts planned, will consequently be halted (again) until the new stable version is reached.

Your Indo-European language team.

Membership of the Indo-European Language Association, now without ordinary annual subscription fees

Statement by the Board, 27 Feb 2009: There has been a gross mistake in the description of the new condition for members. The ordinary Assembly General, held in February, decided in second call (Art. 20, First, Estatutes) with a qualified majority – of the members that were there with right to vote – that ordinary annual subscription fees would amount to 0€. There were indeed talks about “lifelong membership” (which is partly the practical consequence of the decision taken), but the matter wasn’t voted in those terms due to the need of modifying the Constitution. Even if the majority of votes (unanimity) qualified to legally make such a modification – according to Art. 20 b) – the terms of the agreement didn’t include but a change in ordinary annual subscription fees. Furthermore, no specific talks were held or decisions taken about the necessary modification of Estatutes to include such a “lifelong membership” condition. We are sorry for the inconveniences (if any).

The Association opened itself for international membership a year ago. Before its first birthday forces the first subscribers to pay one more year, we have decided to turn ordinary subscription fees to zero, and to make the standard payment the only type of subscription, following the example of other international non-profit organizations.

The decision is based on two main reasons:

  1. The Association was firstly conceived as a regional one. Members have subscribed from different European countries, expecting to find an international organization. The strength of such an international Association is based on the number of members who can collaborate with each other in the different regions and countries, and this is difficult to achieve with a 15€/year obligatory fee.
  2. Subscriptions have been based on the benefits of membership, which have changed over time because they were excessively optimistic, especially regarding the benefits of “academic courses”, “conferences” and “meetings”, which haven’t been held. It isn’t fair that early members pay more for benefits and events that will be held in the future, and it could make them abandon the Association expecting a better future value of the subscription fee.

We have therefore left just a standard unique 15€ fee as obligatory, because the 7€ unwaged/student fee isn’t rational anymore. Nevertheless, those subscribers who made use of that discount will be automatically turned into standard members. We didn’t consider leaving a lower standard fee to avoid the membership of unresponsible people attracted by low prices.

Also, given that the Association will (hopefully) become a strong organization in number of willing members, the linguistic aspect will need the collaboration of the old concept of the “Europaiom Consortium of experts”, which is now the Proto-Indo-European Language Foundation (Eur. Dnghu Bhudhnós). Its internal and external organization rules will be written down in the Association Wiki.

Other development of February was the inclusion of ads in all public wikis, to help cover the monthly expenses of the Association.

Your Indo-European language team.

Proposals and votes in the Association, free collaboration easier with OpenID, translations and more linguistic projects

These are the latest changes and projects of the Association:

1. After debating the possibility of opening free international membership for all, restricting actual membership (with voting rights) just for local people – to compel foreigners to develop their own Indo-European language revival organizations in the different countries, instead of relying in our tiny Association for the whole European Union – we eventually decided to maintain the statu quo, letting foreigners become members, and offering new ways to make proposals and vote them online, to elect and become eligible to the Association board, so that we can grow as a real European Association; indeed without losing the hope of seeing more local and regional associations being created elsewhere to promote and support PIE revival… For that purpose we installed a Wiki, accessible from the homepage, opened for all.

2. We installed the OpenID extension for all the Wiki websites and the WordPress blogs used at Dnghu for news, latest reports, personal bloggin, etc. This way, instead of looking for a common database registration of new users, we hope to offer everybody the possibility to collaborate everywhere at Dnghu’s website without a need to register, not even once if the user has already an OpenID account.

3. We offer now translations of the Latest Reports section into 7 more languages: German, French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Dutch and Polish. Indeed they are still only automatic translations, as we lack the necessary team to work with translations, but with these WordPress blogs and with OpenID we hope to get more contributions to improve the translated news.

4. We are also preparing two more language projects, aimed at improving the current European Union’s language policy: Languages World to offer an improved World language collaborative compendium, which should include proto-languages as well, to improve current compendia like the Ethnologue; and PrÅ«siskan, a Wiki to work on the revival of the Old Prussian language. For now they are just ideas, we hope to get them working soon.

Your Indo-European language team.

Proto-Indo-European language revival and Indo-European grammar presented to Europe’s smallest state: the Sovereign Order of Malta

Fra’ Matthew Festing, the new Prince and Grand Master of the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, of Rhodes and of Malta (known as the Sovereign Military Order of Malta), a Catholic order based in Rome, considered a sovereign subject of international law – hence the smallest European state – has received information regarding our Proto-Indo-European language revival project and a copy of our grammar.

We contacted the recently elected Grand Master in the hope that PIE revival be supported by the Order, because it could be another way to help unite Europeans under our common values and culture, being easier for them to take such ‘linguistic policy’ decisions than for any other European state, as it cannot directly affect their citizens. If any measures are adopted, it would nevertheless be meaningful for Europe and the European Union. The Grand Master accepted the present and said he was “delighted to have it” and the he “would read it with interest”.

We are grateful for his polite answer and encouragement.

Your Indo-European Language Association Team.

Co-authoring the second edition of A Grammar of Modern Indo-European & opening of Indo-European bookstore

These are the latest developments of the Dnghu Association:

1. We have opened formally the possibility to participate in the authoring of the second edition of the book A Grammar of Modern Indo-European. We’ve added new download links, and the whole Word file might be downloaded as DOCX (original) and DOC format, and the book cover is available in Photoshop PSD format, both files in the latest available version.

2. Because of the interest in the printed version of A Grammar of Modern Indo-European, we have arranged a bookstore with Amazon, to let visitors choose among those books we deem interesting for Proto-Indo-European and Indo-European studies. This way, we recommend the books and at the same time obtain a percentage of Amazon’s earnings.

We have also added a tiny Ad link on Dnghu’s main websites, following our 2008 policy of recovering some money spent in non-associate visitors with Google ads.

Your Indo-European Language Team.

Bible texts translated into Indo-European, new European public and universitary library donations and other Indo-European projects

These are our latest projects and developments at DNGHU:

– Some Bible texts have been translated, thanks to the interest of M. Bobeck and B. Barrois – we didn’t translate the Genesis and Psalms 90 and 104, as expected, but give it some time. Available texts include the Lord’s Prayer, Hail Mary, Credo (Nicene Creed), the Parable of the Prodigal Son and the beginning of the Gospel of John.

– We will keep working on the Indo-European online language lessons website. Any corrections or additions are indeed welcome.

– We have included some 30 new research papers to our Indo-European Private Online Library for members only.

– We are collecting new addresses of European Universitary and Public libraries, and expect to send a hundred donated books more in the next weeks.

– We are planning to participate in a project about Comparative Medical Terms and Concepts in Indo-European Tradition, especially of Indian, Greek and Latin texts, but obviously including the oldest texts available of every Indo-European linguistic branch. If any of you would like to take part on it, feel free to contact us.

– We have received an ad from the ExpoLingua Berlin, the 21st International Fair for Languages and Cultures – they really know who to target… If some of you (rich) readers would like to donate the necessary amount to participate, we would be very grateful to you 😉 . You can visit their website to read more about it.

Your Indo-European Language Team.

Modern Indo-European online language lessons, new website translations and open membership to the Association

During the last month and a half, there have been some improvements:

  1. We’ve begun a basic language learning project and favoured it over the rest of Indo-European development projects (news, encyclopaedia, texts, etc.). We want to help build a community giving them some basic knowledge, instead of just addressing those who already study (or have studied) Proto-Indo-European or Indo-European linguistics. We’ve just opened the online Modern Indo-European language lessons website at dnghu.org, still only in English, powered by Drupal.
  2. We’ve dedicated some time to keep building our main website, translating it into some new languages, like Polish, Russian, Greek, Czech, Romanian, Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish, Catalan, Slovak, Bulgarian, Lithuanian, Latvian, Danish or Slovene. If the other “main” languages are mainly poor machine translations, these new ones are in a still lesser category, and could be tagged more or less like bad automatic translated menus… In other words, they are there for people to be able to collaborate directly correcting mistakes and adding information from the English website, as they could already do with the “main” languages. Any correction or addition might be (as always) discussed at our Indo-European languages forum.
  3. We opened the membership for the Dnghu Association back in February. We don’t want to advertise it too much, as our aim is not (yet) to develop the participative side of our society, but to offer to those interested the possibility to help our association with small donations, with the return of being officially members of the Association (apart from other benefits we’ll try to give them) and thus being able to take some ordinary decisions. The actual problem is that the society is legally based in Spain, and important decisions are taken in our town; therefore, legally speaking, to be a member right now will mean generally no participation in important or strategic decision-taking. To sum up: for those interested in being members and help us a little bit, there is a new option called membership, which gives some legal rights, quite limited for those living outside Spain. For those not interested in taking that step, participation and discussion in our public projects remains open for all.

In the following weeks we’ll try to:

  • Further develop the online language lessons, including some audio files to give a better idea of the Modern Indo-European pronunciation.
  • Publish some officially translated texts, like prayers and Bible passages, either here in this website or in the Wikis for Indo-European texts
  • Send more printed copiesof the Indo-European grammar to European libraries; we have almost completed a new list of another 100 public and university libraries, we’ll see if and when we have enough time to prepare the packages.

Your Indo-European Language Team.

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