Comments on: Brief report on the Proto-Indo-European language revival presentation in Toulouse, in the ‘Forom des Langues et Cultures du Monde’ http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2008/06/brief-report-on-the-proto-indo-european-language-revival-presentation-in-toulouse-forom-des-langues/ Proto-Indo-European and Modern Indo-European Language Fri, 04 May 2012 02:54:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Indoeuropejski: JÄ™zyk narodowy Unii Europejskiej » Krótkie sprawozdanie z prezentacji ożywienie w Proto-Indo-European jÄ™zyka w Tuluzie, w “Forom Langues et des Cultures du Monde” http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2008/06/brief-report-on-the-proto-indo-european-language-revival-presentation-in-toulouse-forom-des-langues/comment-page-1/#comment-1705 Indoeuropejski: JÄ™zyk narodowy Unii Europejskiej » Krótkie sprawozdanie z prezentacji ożywienie w Proto-Indo-European jÄ™zyka w Tuluzie, w “Forom Langues et des Cultures du Monde” Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:03:17 +0000 http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/?p=129#comment-1705 [...] translation from the English version, as of June 2th, [...] [...] translation from the English version, as of June 2th, [...]

]]> By: Indo-Europeu: Língua nacional da União Europeia » Relatório sucinto sobre a apresentação do renascimento da proto-indo-europeia da língua em Toulouse, na “Forom des Langues et Cultures du Monde” http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2008/06/brief-report-on-the-proto-indo-european-language-revival-presentation-in-toulouse-forom-des-langues/comment-page-1/#comment-1704 Indo-Europeu: Língua nacional da União Europeia » Relatório sucinto sobre a apresentação do renascimento da proto-indo-europeia da língua em Toulouse, na “Forom des Langues et Cultures du Monde” Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:01:38 +0000 http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/?p=129#comment-1704 [...] translation from the English version, as of June 2th, [...] [...] translation from the English version, as of June 2th, [...]

]]> By: Indo-Europees: Nationale taal van de Europese Unie » Kort verslag over de presentatie van de opleving van de Proto-Indo-Europese taal in Toulouse, in de “Forom des Langues et Cultures du Monde” http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2008/06/brief-report-on-the-proto-indo-european-language-revival-presentation-in-toulouse-forom-des-langues/comment-page-1/#comment-1703 Indo-Europees: Nationale taal van de Europese Unie » Kort verslag over de presentatie van de opleving van de Proto-Indo-Europese taal in Toulouse, in de “Forom des Langues et Cultures du Monde” Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:59:54 +0000 http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/?p=129#comment-1703 [...] translation from the English version, as of June 2th, [...] [...] translation from the English version, as of June 2th, [...]

]]> By: Indoeuropeo: Lengua nacional de la Unión Europea » Breve informe sobre la presentación del proyecto de revivir el protoindoeuropeo en Toulouse, en el Forom Langues et des Cultures du Monde http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2008/06/brief-report-on-the-proto-indo-european-language-revival-presentation-in-toulouse-forom-des-langues/comment-page-1/#comment-1702 Indoeuropeo: Lengua nacional de la Unión Europea » Breve informe sobre la presentación del proyecto de revivir el protoindoeuropeo en Toulouse, en el Forom Langues et des Cultures du Monde Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:58:39 +0000 http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/?p=129#comment-1702 [...] translation from the English version, as of June 2th, [...] [...] translation from the English version, as of June 2th, [...]

]]> By: Indoeuropeo: Lingua nazionale dell’Unione europea » Breve relazione sulla presentazione della rinascita della lingua protoindoeuropea a Tolosa, nel ‘Forom des Langues et Culture du Monde’ http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2008/06/brief-report-on-the-proto-indo-european-language-revival-presentation-in-toulouse-forom-des-langues/comment-page-1/#comment-1701 Indoeuropeo: Lingua nazionale dell’Unione europea » Breve relazione sulla presentazione della rinascita della lingua protoindoeuropea a Tolosa, nel ‘Forom des Langues et Culture du Monde’ Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:55:27 +0000 http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/?p=129#comment-1701 [...] translation from the English version, as of June 2th, [...] [...] translation from the English version, as of June 2th, [...]

]]> By: Indo-européen: Langue nationale de l’Union européenne » Bref rapport sur la présentation de la renaissance de la proto-langue indo-européenne à Toulouse, dans le «Forom des Langues et Cultures du Monde” http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2008/06/brief-report-on-the-proto-indo-european-language-revival-presentation-in-toulouse-forom-des-langues/comment-page-1/#comment-1700 Indo-européen: Langue nationale de l’Union européenne » Bref rapport sur la présentation de la renaissance de la proto-langue indo-européenne à Toulouse, dans le «Forom des Langues et Cultures du Monde” Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:53:09 +0000 http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/?p=129#comment-1700 [...] translation from the English version, as of June 2th, [...] [...] translation from the English version, as of June 2th, [...]

]]> By: Indogermanisch: Nationalsprache der Europäischen Union » Kurzer Bericht über die Präsentation der Wiederbelebung der Urindogermanischer Sprache in Toulouse, in der “Forom des Langues et Cultures du Monde” http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2008/06/brief-report-on-the-proto-indo-european-language-revival-presentation-in-toulouse-forom-des-langues/comment-page-1/#comment-1699 Indogermanisch: Nationalsprache der Europäischen Union » Kurzer Bericht über die Präsentation der Wiederbelebung der Urindogermanischer Sprache in Toulouse, in der “Forom des Langues et Cultures du Monde” Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:51:30 +0000 http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/?p=129#comment-1699 [...] translation from the English version, as of June 2th, [...] [...] translation from the English version, as of June 2th, [...]

]]> By: z http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2008/06/brief-report-on-the-proto-indo-european-language-revival-presentation-in-toulouse-forom-des-langues/comment-page-1/#comment-1684 z Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:00:19 +0000 http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/?p=129#comment-1684 Esperanto sucks, it has no history, no culture, and is therefore meaningless. IE all the way man. Esperanto sucks, it has no history, no culture, and is therefore meaningless. IE all the way man.

]]> By: carlos http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2008/06/brief-report-on-the-proto-indo-european-language-revival-presentation-in-toulouse-forom-des-langues/comment-page-1/#comment-1675 carlos Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:27:08 +0000 http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/?p=129#comment-1675 @urza: Thank you. <blockquote> I don’t understand why you’re using aspirated plosives instead of fricatives </blockquote> It's a question of : a) <strong>Common use</strong>. You can find it written that way for Proto-Germanic in many printed dictionaries; so, for example, you have the online data at <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/" rel="nofollow">Reference</a> or <a href="http://www.etymonline.com/" rel="nofollow">Etymonline</a>. b) <strong>Easier comparison</strong>. Many sounds, like /s/, /q/, /gh/, etc. probably sounded differently, but had the same original evolution. I'm not quite sure, but isn't it a commonly accepted evolution of Germanic /h/ coming from /kh/, i.e. that PIE /k/ -> Proto-Gmc. /kh/ -> Gmc. dialects /h/ ? I could be wrong, and it maybe evolved directly as PIE /k/ -> Gmc. /h/, but it's anyway still better for comparison to represent it that way. That's more or less what I've done in the Armenian version (writing an older -kh- for /k'/, older -th- for /t'/, etc.), for example, however incorrect that might be from a strict linguistic point of view... I shall correct it in future versions, though, or maybe explain these orthographic solutions with footnotes. @urza: Thank you.

I don’t understand why you’re using aspirated plosives instead of fricatives

It’s a question of :

a) Common use. You can find it written that way for Proto-Germanic in many printed dictionaries; so, for example, you have the online data at Reference or Etymonline.

b) Easier comparison. Many sounds, like /s/, /q/, /gh/, etc. probably sounded differently, but had the same original evolution. I’m not quite sure, but isn’t it a commonly accepted evolution of Germanic /h/ coming from /kh/, i.e. that PIE /k/ -> Proto-Gmc. /kh/ -> Gmc. dialects /h/ ? I could be wrong, and it maybe evolved directly as PIE /k/ -> Gmc. /h/, but it’s anyway still better for comparison to represent it that way.

That’s more or less what I’ve done in the Armenian version (writing an older -kh- for /k’/, older -th- for /t’/, etc.), for example, however incorrect that might be from a strict linguistic point of view… I shall correct it in future versions, though, or maybe explain these orthographic solutions with footnotes.

]]> By: urza http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2008/06/brief-report-on-the-proto-indo-european-language-revival-presentation-in-toulouse-forom-des-langues/comment-page-1/#comment-1664 urza Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:40:42 +0000 http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/?p=129#comment-1664 that's an interesting project, really! but I don't understand why you're using aspirated plosives instead of fricatives in the germanic reconstructed form: ie. *krd > gmc. *hert that’s an interesting project, really!
but I don’t understand why you’re using aspirated plosives instead of fricatives in the germanic reconstructed form:

ie. *krd > gmc. *hert

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