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	<title>Comments on: A Research Project: &#8220;Indo-European languages of Europe&#8221; vs. &#8220;Classical Culture&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: dnghu.org</title>
		<link>http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2007/05/a-research-project-indo-european-languages-of-europe-vs-classical-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>dnghu.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 16:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Regardless of the fact that youâ€™ve erased some of the above comments by others that you couldnâ€™t handle, while inventing others in mockery of me&quot;

That&#039;s not true. If I wanted to delete comments, I would have certainly wiped out all of your comments. Also, inventions and &#039;mockers&#039; are attracted here now mainly because of you. Because of our policy of not deleting and not inventing, instead of a site on Indo-European Revival News, this now seems to be a site on Glen Gordon&#039;s ego.

&quot;keep talking if you wish. Itâ€™s still a free world until another Adolf gets into power.&quot;

I agree. it&#039;s a free world, and this a free site, you can post everything you like and try to annoy everyone here - the Association works with or without your comments - I would even say your comments are more welcome than your silence.

 It&#039;s obviously not up to one person (me) to judge them, I don&#039;t feel I have the right to delete them only because I dislike them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Regardless of the fact that youâ€™ve erased some of the above comments by others that you couldnâ€™t handle, while inventing others in mockery of me&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not true. If I wanted to delete comments, I would have certainly wiped out all of your comments. Also, inventions and &#8216;mockers&#8217; are attracted here now mainly because of you. Because of our policy of not deleting and not inventing, instead of a site on Indo-European Revival News, this now seems to be a site on Glen Gordon&#8217;s ego.</p>
<p>&#8220;keep talking if you wish. Itâ€™s still a free world until another Adolf gets into power.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree. it&#8217;s a free world, and this a free site, you can post everything you like and try to annoy everyone here &#8211; the Association works with or without your comments &#8211; I would even say your comments are more welcome than your silence.</p>
<p> It&#8217;s obviously not up to one person (me) to judge them, I don&#8217;t feel I have the right to delete them only because I dislike them.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Gordon</title>
		<link>http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2007/05/a-research-project-indo-european-languages-of-europe-vs-classical-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 13:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.

You see conspiracies in everyone; you make racist comments about your commenters&#039; &lt;em&gt;perceived&lt;/em&gt; ethnicities based on their family names; you make slurs against English speakers, the Cree, the French, Arabs (a term you oddly misunderstand to only mean &quot;immigrants from elsewhere&quot;), Esperantists, and pretty much everyone else; you like to ignore the clear Nazi parallel, propping up Indo-European into something grander than it was to promote a demented sense of nationalistic unity at the expense of its own people; you forget that there are conlangs already created like Esperanto with a two-million-speaker headstart; and you insist that this ticking political timebomb of yours be adopted by the EU with the blessing of all the non-IE-speaking peoples that have been in Europe side-by-side with IE-speaking ones for centuries or millenia, including the very Basque people sitting **right in your own backyard** who were there in Europe millenia before IE even &lt;em&gt;existed&lt;/em&gt;. Yet, you&#039;re somehow still convinced that your &quot;reinterpreted IE&quot;  (which you somehow believe is &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; another kind of Esperanto) will be the next Holy Saviour of European unity.

So it&#039;s fair of me to say from this that you&#039;re very abusive and even delusional. And should anyone finally state the painfully obvious (ie. &quot;You and your cardboard, one-man organization are shamelessly racist.&quot;), you diminish yourself further by hurling invectives at your commenters while pretending to be scarred by the negative reactions of others that you yourself provoked by way of your transparent self-contradictions and unerasable hate-filled rantings towards every group imaginable.  Unbeknownst to you, it seems, your immature comments bereft of education are now tied tightly to your organization.

Regardless of the fact that you&#039;ve erased some of the above comments by others that you couldn&#039;t handle, while inventing others in mockery of me, all of your own words are spreading across the internet like wildfire right now thanks to Google and other search engines which keep long-lasting records of previous states of webpages through their caches. So I can easily predict that any future readers will come to associate your verbal vomit here with Dnghu and be forever sick to their stomach.

Should I feel ashamed by your behaviour and words, or be ashamed of my own here? No, I said exactly what I needed to while you wasted your opportunity to impress others with your responses. Do I care whether you will ever own up to your own words and actions towards others? No, karma will remedy that situation. Do I personally care whether you think I&#039;m a &quot;troll&quot; because I spoke out and expressed myself on &lt;em&gt;my own&lt;/em&gt; blog or even here on Dnghu? No, because I don&#039;t strive to talk like a child. And do I lose sleep over the fact that some kid like yourself mistakes me for some narrow-minded stereotype like &quot;crazy Englishmen&quot; or &quot;Esperantist neocommie&quot; (your over-the-top wording)? Not in the slightest. The fact that you continue to fly off the deep end over every little comment anyone makes online related to your organization reveals you to be too immature to handle the direct consequences of your bad attitude.

Despite your feelings, the internet has a &lt;em&gt;right&lt;/em&gt; to voice what they think of your organization, both good and bad. Frankly, I think poorly of it, even more so now than ever. Expecting that we all love you while you speak your self-absorbed nonsense is egomaniacal and reflects badly on your character and organization. However, it&#039;s forever your choice - keep talking if you wish. It&#039;s still a free world until another Adolf gets into power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.</p>
<p>You see conspiracies in everyone; you make racist comments about your commenters&#8217; <em>perceived</em> ethnicities based on their family names; you make slurs against English speakers, the Cree, the French, Arabs (a term you oddly misunderstand to only mean &#8220;immigrants from elsewhere&#8221;), Esperantists, and pretty much everyone else; you like to ignore the clear Nazi parallel, propping up Indo-European into something grander than it was to promote a demented sense of nationalistic unity at the expense of its own people; you forget that there are conlangs already created like Esperanto with a two-million-speaker headstart; and you insist that this ticking political timebomb of yours be adopted by the EU with the blessing of all the non-IE-speaking peoples that have been in Europe side-by-side with IE-speaking ones for centuries or millenia, including the very Basque people sitting **right in your own backyard** who were there in Europe millenia before IE even <em>existed</em>. Yet, you&#8217;re somehow still convinced that your &#8220;reinterpreted IE&#8221;  (which you somehow believe is <em>not</em> another kind of Esperanto) will be the next Holy Saviour of European unity.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s fair of me to say from this that you&#8217;re very abusive and even delusional. And should anyone finally state the painfully obvious (ie. &#8220;You and your cardboard, one-man organization are shamelessly racist.&#8221;), you diminish yourself further by hurling invectives at your commenters while pretending to be scarred by the negative reactions of others that you yourself provoked by way of your transparent self-contradictions and unerasable hate-filled rantings towards every group imaginable.  Unbeknownst to you, it seems, your immature comments bereft of education are now tied tightly to your organization.</p>
<p>Regardless of the fact that you&#8217;ve erased some of the above comments by others that you couldn&#8217;t handle, while inventing others in mockery of me, all of your own words are spreading across the internet like wildfire right now thanks to Google and other search engines which keep long-lasting records of previous states of webpages through their caches. So I can easily predict that any future readers will come to associate your verbal vomit here with Dnghu and be forever sick to their stomach.</p>
<p>Should I feel ashamed by your behaviour and words, or be ashamed of my own here? No, I said exactly what I needed to while you wasted your opportunity to impress others with your responses. Do I care whether you will ever own up to your own words and actions towards others? No, karma will remedy that situation. Do I personally care whether you think I&#8217;m a &#8220;troll&#8221; because I spoke out and expressed myself on <em>my own</em> blog or even here on Dnghu? No, because I don&#8217;t strive to talk like a child. And do I lose sleep over the fact that some kid like yourself mistakes me for some narrow-minded stereotype like &#8220;crazy Englishmen&#8221; or &#8220;Esperantist neocommie&#8221; (your over-the-top wording)? Not in the slightest. The fact that you continue to fly off the deep end over every little comment anyone makes online related to your organization reveals you to be too immature to handle the direct consequences of your bad attitude.</p>
<p>Despite your feelings, the internet has a <em>right</em> to voice what they think of your organization, both good and bad. Frankly, I think poorly of it, even more so now than ever. Expecting that we all love you while you speak your self-absorbed nonsense is egomaniacal and reflects badly on your character and organization. However, it&#8217;s forever your choice &#8211; keep talking if you wish. It&#8217;s still a free world until another Adolf gets into power.</p>
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		<title>By: dnghu.org</title>
		<link>http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2007/05/a-research-project-indo-european-languages-of-europe-vs-classical-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator>dnghu.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 07:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yyess, I &#039;have problems&#039; with people who write about our project, dismissing it without knowing it, and still expecting to receive no answer from us at all:

- You could have talked about our project as &quot;proto-politics&quot; and the European Union and euroscepticism, and I wouldn&#039;t have answered you - that&#039;s your opinion, as the one from the news you posted above.

- You could have read the grammar (or at least some pages) and criticized it well.  We take decisions based on normal research, so usually people disagree with our approaches, and in fact most of them do - sometimes we learn from them, sometimes not.

- OR, you could have done what you did (i.e., talk about proto-politics and post some non-sense about the linguistic project, because you had nothing better to fill your blog with), while at the same time advise your readers they shouldn&#039;t comment on your blog, or you would begin a flame war against your commenters, insult them, etc. until they are wiped out from Earth...

I think those facts make you clearly the troll and the first to have posted a flame, but, it&#039;s a matter of opinion; surely you think we are trolls just to begin our project, because that bothers you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yyess, I &#8216;have problems&#8217; with people who write about our project, dismissing it without knowing it, and still expecting to receive no answer from us at all:</p>
<p>- You could have talked about our project as &#8220;proto-politics&#8221; and the European Union and euroscepticism, and I wouldn&#8217;t have answered you &#8211; that&#8217;s your opinion, as the one from the news you posted above.</p>
<p>- You could have read the grammar (or at least some pages) and criticized it well.  We take decisions based on normal research, so usually people disagree with our approaches, and in fact most of them do &#8211; sometimes we learn from them, sometimes not.</p>
<p>- OR, you could have done what you did (i.e., talk about proto-politics and post some non-sense about the linguistic project, because you had nothing better to fill your blog with), while at the same time advise your readers they shouldn&#8217;t comment on your blog, or you would begin a flame war against your commenters, insult them, etc. until they are wiped out from Earth&#8230;</p>
<p>I think those facts make you clearly the troll and the first to have posted a flame, but, it&#8217;s a matter of opinion; surely you think we are trolls just to begin our project, because that bothers you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Gordon</title>
		<link>http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2007/05/a-research-project-indo-european-languages-of-europe-vs-classical-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-305</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 03:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about. You are evidently having problems and it was a little evident in the first flame that you sent to my personal blog, but now you&#039;ve gone way out of hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about. You are evidently having problems and it was a little evident in the first flame that you sent to my personal blog, but now you&#8217;ve gone way out of hand.</p>
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		<title>By: dnghu.org</title>
		<link>http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2007/05/a-research-project-indo-european-languages-of-europe-vs-classical-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-303</link>
		<dc:creator>dnghu.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 16:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you certainly need to pay for a good Spanish translation. You see, now you should understand why it&#039;s not enough to use machine translation: 

&quot;Una lengua comÃºn... pero no por todas las personnas que no son
indo-europeas como los vascos. Y finlandÃ©s no es indo-europeo. Racismo
sutil.&quot;

that should read:

&quot;Una lengua comÃºn... pero no para todas las personas que no hablan indoeuropeo, como los que hablan vascuence. Y el finÃ©s no es indoeuropeo. Racismo sutil (?)&quot;

Do you really wanted to say &quot;sutil&quot;? Are you really so &quot;pedante&quot;?

By the way, if you want to hide your critics under false names, you should:

1st: be more imaginative (&#039;Aingeru Euskara&#039;??! c&#039;mon...)

2nd: hide your IP, so that people can&#039;t know you write from Canada.

Are you ashamed now, or still not enough? Do you still want another try? What is next in this personal battle of you against us &quot;uneducated racist Europeans&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you certainly need to pay for a good Spanish translation. You see, now you should understand why it&#8217;s not enough to use machine translation: </p>
<p>&#8220;Una lengua comÃºn&#8230; pero no por todas las personnas que no son<br />
indo-europeas como los vascos. Y finlandÃ©s no es indo-europeo. Racismo<br />
sutil.&#8221;</p>
<p>that should read:</p>
<p>&#8220;Una lengua comÃºn&#8230; pero no para todas las personas que no hablan indoeuropeo, como los que hablan vascuence. Y el finÃ©s no es indoeuropeo. Racismo sutil (?)&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you really wanted to say &#8220;sutil&#8221;? Are you really so &#8220;pedante&#8221;?</p>
<p>By the way, if you want to hide your critics under false names, you should:</p>
<p>1st: be more imaginative (&#8216;Aingeru Euskara&#8217;??! c&#8217;mon&#8230;)</p>
<p>2nd: hide your IP, so that people can&#8217;t know you write from Canada.</p>
<p>Are you ashamed now, or still not enough? Do you still want another try? What is next in this personal battle of you against us &#8220;uneducated racist Europeans&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: dnghu.org</title>
		<link>http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2007/05/a-research-project-indo-european-languages-of-europe-vs-classical-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-301</link>
		<dc:creator>dnghu.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 15:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen: â€œOh, ok. Sorry, mate, I was wrong.â€

Me: &quot;(...) However, &lt;strong&gt;with your first tiny comment&lt;/strong&gt;, I donâ€™t know exactly what happened - did you do something new or strange? Iâ€™m not kidding.&quot;

Glen: &quot;Well, if your software is as biggoted as dnghuâ€™s goals, then it probably gags bla bla bla (...)&quot;

Glen two weeks after that comment: &quot;I did not make this comment. Apparently Carlos thinks itâ€™s funny to put words in other peopleâ€™s mouths.&quot;

Yes, apparently you like conspiracies and don&#039;t read the threads at all, not even to help us keep your insults apart from other trolls trolling you...

We lose too much time reading your stupidities, so as to investigate where do they all come from, to prove they all come from Canada&#039;s IPs. 

I&#039;ve seen it now (you are welcome), it was posted from an IP in the Netherlands. I don&#039;t think we should call the police, though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen: â€œOh, ok. Sorry, mate, I was wrong.â€</p>
<p>Me: &#8220;(&#8230;) However, <strong>with your first tiny comment</strong>, I donâ€™t know exactly what happened &#8211; did you do something new or strange? Iâ€™m not kidding.&#8221;</p>
<p>Glen: &#8220;Well, if your software is as biggoted as dnghuâ€™s goals, then it probably gags bla bla bla (&#8230;)&#8221;</p>
<p>Glen two weeks after that comment: &#8220;I did not make this comment. Apparently Carlos thinks itâ€™s funny to put words in other peopleâ€™s mouths.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, apparently you like conspiracies and don&#8217;t read the threads at all, not even to help us keep your insults apart from other trolls trolling you&#8230;</p>
<p>We lose too much time reading your stupidities, so as to investigate where do they all come from, to prove they all come from Canada&#8217;s IPs. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen it now (you are welcome), it was posted from an IP in the Netherlands. I don&#8217;t think we should call the police, though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dnghu.org</title>
		<link>http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2007/05/a-research-project-indo-european-languages-of-europe-vs-classical-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-300</link>
		<dc:creator>dnghu.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 15:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bottup said: â€œMuchas voces critican la creaciÃ³n de lenguas como el europaio basÃ¡ndose en que estas lenguas â€˜globalesâ€™ acabarÃ­an con la actual diversidad lingÃ¼Ã­stica.â€

Glen said: What are you trying to prove or accomplish here other than that you masochistically delight in your own &lt;strong&gt;shame&lt;/strong&gt;

Apparently you think that when you are criticized it is a shame... Well, then you should feel ashamed when we all here (I mean here in our free world, not your imagination in front of your computer) think you are a crazy troll who has nothing better to do in your free time than insulting me, the Association as a whole, and even every European who think something different.

Btw., I&#039;ve read that article now and it appears to be very respectful with both positions, those who support us and those who don&#039;t, so you should maybe learn more Spanish before trying to use it, or maybe hire a translator as you said above  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottup said: â€œMuchas voces critican la creaciÃ³n de lenguas como el europaio basÃ¡ndose en que estas lenguas â€˜globalesâ€™ acabarÃ­an con la actual diversidad lingÃ¼Ã­stica.â€</p>
<p>Glen said: What are you trying to prove or accomplish here other than that you masochistically delight in your own <strong>shame</strong></p>
<p>Apparently you think that when you are criticized it is a shame&#8230; Well, then you should feel ashamed when we all here (I mean here in our free world, not your imagination in front of your computer) think you are a crazy troll who has nothing better to do in your free time than insulting me, the Association as a whole, and even every European who think something different.</p>
<p>Btw., I&#8217;ve read that article now and it appears to be very respectful with both positions, those who support us and those who don&#8217;t, so you should maybe learn more Spanish before trying to use it, or maybe hire a translator as you said above  <img src='http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Glen Gordon</title>
		<link>http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2007/05/a-research-project-indo-european-languages-of-europe-vs-classical-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 10:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen Gordon, 10. May 2007, 10:59 
&quot;Oh, ok. Sorry, mate, I was wrong.&quot;

I did not make this comment. Apparently Carlos thinks it&#039;s funny to put words in other people&#039;s mouths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen Gordon, 10. May 2007, 10:59<br />
&#8220;Oh, ok. Sorry, mate, I was wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>I did not make this comment. Apparently Carlos thinks it&#8217;s funny to put words in other people&#8217;s mouths.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Gordon</title>
		<link>http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2007/05/a-research-project-indo-european-languages-of-europe-vs-classical-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 10:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.bottup.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=686&amp;Itemid=67
&quot;Muchas voces critican la creaciÃ³n de lenguas como el europaio basÃ¡ndose en que estas lenguas &#039;globales&#039; acabarÃ­an con la actual diversidad lingÃ¼Ã­stica.&quot; 

What are you trying to prove or accomplish here other than that you masochistically delight in your own shame in as many languages as possible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.bottup.com/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=686&#038;Itemid=67" rel="nofollow">http://www.bottup.com/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=686&#038;Itemid=67</a><br />
&#8220;Muchas voces critican la creaciÃ³n de lenguas como el europaio basÃ¡ndose en que estas lenguas &#8216;globales&#8217; acabarÃ­an con la actual diversidad lingÃ¼Ã­stica.&#8221; </p>
<p>What are you trying to prove or accomplish here other than that you masochistically delight in your own shame in as many languages as possible?</p>
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		<title>By: dnghu.org</title>
		<link>http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/2007/05/a-research-project-indo-european-languages-of-europe-vs-classical-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator>dnghu.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 08:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, yes, I remember now: I just worked on this stupid KKK/Catholic/Nazi MIE conspiracy to conquer Manitoba and subjugate Glen&#039;s world! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yes, I remember now: I just worked on this stupid KKK/Catholic/Nazi MIE conspiracy to conquer Manitoba and subjugate Glen&#8217;s world! <img src='http://dnghu.org/Indo-European/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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